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profh0011
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posted May 03, 2002 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
Dylan, as I have every SUSPENSE from about #50-up, I have very little need for the 2nd IM Masterwork. I'd be more interested in when they get up to the Archie Goodwin-George Tuska issues, which to my knowledge have NEVER been reprinted, and as a result, tend to be REDICULOUSLY high-priced, when you consider the serious DROP in quality of that run.

You'd almost think they should be running both halves of a crossover in BOTH Masterworks series-- wouldn't you? I mean, for the sake of those who only pick up one of the other. After all, DC reprinted the Supergirl / Legion team-ups in BOTH their Legion and Supergirl Archives!

As I could have prediected-- yesterday my comics-shop owner was showing another customer the SUB-MARINER book, and his exact words were-- "This isn't what I want-- I want to see the Golden Age stuff reprinted!" (Amen, Fred!)

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posted May 03, 2002 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
I know, Golden Age Sub-Mariner is something everyone wants. Perhaps even more than Silver-Age, I suppose. But for now, with the Masterworks program just now getting up and running, maybe it's too much to ask for them to restore a whole bunch of GA art.

I don't think they are ignorant of the potential in a GA Sub-Mariner Masterworks, but for now, it's not in their plans.

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profh0011
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posted May 03, 2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
I still think one of the most amazing things I've seen in a reprint of late was the Human Torch / Sub-Mariner epic battle. It looked like it was photographed right off an original comic, and even the paper gave it the appearance of reading an actuial 60-year-old comic-- except it was new paper that wouldn't crumble in your fingers! Maybe a "cheap" package like that is the way to go in some cases?

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Renaud Bédard
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posted May 03, 2002 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Renaud Bédard        Reply w/Quote
the CAPTAIN AMERICA archive has no work what so ever to do all was published 2 soft cover volumes alreADY

SUB-MARINER well the first story is done nows so lets movie on same for Human Torch

and lets not forget if any of the Material from those 2 Marvel golden age volumes softcover are good lets use it to

And if Marvel can`t take care of its business maybe they should ask DC to make a Sub-Mariner golden age archive instead

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Cave Carson
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posted May 03, 2002 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cave Carson   Click Here to Email Cave Carson        Reply w/Quote
Marvel did a good job of getting out the first 10 issues of Captain America in an affordable format. They should do the same for the Human Torch and the Sub-Mariner.
I wouldn't say no to All-Winners or Young Allies, either.

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profh0011
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posted May 04, 2002 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
I'll say there's "no work needed" to put out a Golden Age CAPTAIN AMERICA Masterwork! they put the first 10 issues out as a 2-book set (with a slipcase) over 10 years ago! (I know, I have mine.)

By the way, for anyone who has the paperback version, did they get around to fixing that coloring "mistake" that got a the colorist fired back then? (He slipped a naughty visual "joke" in printed in yellow ink and somehow it got printed! Tsk tsk!)

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Schatzie
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posted May 04, 2002 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Schatzie        Reply w/Quote
I have looked for the "mistake" in question, but I have not seen it in the TPBs.

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positronic
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posted May 04, 2002 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for positronic   Click Here to Email positronic        Reply w/Quote
If Marvel is going to start tapping into the Golden Age material for its hardcovers, the first two books I'd like to see are a HUMAN TORCH VS. SUB-MARINER book, gathering all the G.A. battles/teamups in one place, and a hardcover collecting both ALL-WINNERS COMICS #19 & 21 (along with cover repro's of the first 18 issues, as well). And what ever happened to the collection they were working on of the complete Simon & Kirby VISION stories? Greg Theakston had already done work on most of the pages... but that was around the time the second volume of GOLDEN AGE OF MARVEL came out.

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Steven Utley
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posted May 04, 2002 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Utley        Reply w/Quote
What poz said.

And if I were Marvel's editor in charge of reprints, there'd be books of Bill Everett's gorgeous 1950s work (Sub-Mariner, of course, but also Marvel Boy, Venus, and non-series items from such comics as Menace and Men's Adventures), of Basil Wolverton material, and Jimmy Thompson, and The Vision, The Yellow Claw, Bulls-Eye (the Simon and Kirby western hero, not the costumed hitman), better versions of Marvel Monsterworks and The Golden Age of Marvel Comics than the ones we actually got, and, oh, just so much else.

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Renaud Bédard
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posted May 04, 2002 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Renaud Bédard        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by profh0011:
I'll say there's "no work needed" to put out a Golden Age CAPTAIN AMERICA Masterwork! they put the first 10 issues out as a 2-book set (with a slipcase) over 10 years ago! (I know, I have mine.)

By the way, for anyone who has the paperback version, did they get around to fixing that coloring "mistake" that got a the colorist fired back then? (He slipped a naughty visual "joke" in printed in yellow ink and somehow it got printed! Tsk tsk!)


Is that all that's preventing Marvel from doing the CAPTAIN AMERICA GOLDEN AGE MASTERWORKS a couple of jokes easy to correct

send it to me whith my crayons I'll correct this easy

come on Marvel quite stolling already there is no excuse here,this one is too easy to fix

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profh0011
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posted May 05, 2002 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
Okay, since I've gone out of my way not to mention it-- anyone besides me know WHAT the visual joke was that got a colorist FIRED? (Even when my comics-shop owner described it to me, I had some difficulty finding it-- but it was there!)

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G. Cornelis McWilliams
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posted May 05, 2002 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for G. Cornelis McWilliams        Reply w/Quote
I would like to see Marvel collect some of thier Golden Age comics into Masterpieces. Especially Captain America; Sub-Mariner; and Human Torch.

First, I hope they establish a commitment into bringing thier Silver Age line into Masterwork format, akin to what D C has done with thier Archive program.
Amazing Spider-Man 1 thru 70 7 volumes

Fantastic Four 1 thru 70 7 volumes

Ironman\ TOS 39 thru 99 4 volumes

Sub-Mariner\ TTA 70 thru 101 2 volumes

Incredible Hulk\ TTA (1-6) 59 thru 99 3 volumes

Avengers 1 thru 70 7 volumes

Daredevil 1 thru 60 6 volumes

X-Men 1 thru 66 6 volumes

Mighty Thor\ JITM 83 thru 150 6 volumes

Human Torch: Strange Tales 120 thru 134 1 volume

Doctor Strange\ ST 121 THRU 168 3 volumes

Nick Fury S.H.I.E.L.D\ ST 135 THRU 168 1 volume


I would also like to see an attempt to release some of thier classic Westerns.
Kid Colt: Out Law Masterworks 1-2 volumes
Two-Gun Kid Masterworks 1-2 volumes
Rawhide Kid Masterworks 1-2 volumes
But, this is something for the future, when they establish there Masterworks and can afford to releace an " Enemy Ace" or "Black Canary"


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positronic
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posted May 07, 2002 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for positronic   Click Here to Email positronic        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G. Cornelis McWilliams:
First, I hope they establish a commitment into bringing thier Silver Age line into Masterwork format, akin to what D C has done with thier Archive program.

Seems to me that Marvel has actually reprinted a greater percentage of their Silver Age output in Masterworks format than DC has done in Archives format. 32 volumes of Masterworks so far, of which only two (UNCANNY X-MEN) reprinted non-Silver Age work. DC has only outpaced Marvel on two titles, JUSTICE LEAGUE and LEGION. Had the Masterworks program not been suspended for a number of years, they'd probably be 'way ahead of DC in reprinting Silver Age stuff. Then again, the reason it was suspended it the first place was lack of profitability. Now that prices have been readjusted to the same as DC Archives, that hopefully won't be a problem in the future.

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posted May 07, 2002 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for daytripper   Click Here to Email daytripper        Reply w/Quote
I didn't know that Marvel had ever caught the culprit, but the coloring mistake was, according to lore, Bucky's privates. I don't know what the mistake looked like, i.e. was Bucky happy to see someone, but that's the mistake.

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G. Cornelis McWilliams
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posted May 07, 2002 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for G. Cornelis McWilliams        Reply w/Quote
In Diamonds previews for next weeks Marvel books, (May 15th) they list Marvel Masterworks Fantastic Four 1-10 at $29.99
Can any one, please explain this to me???

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James Friel
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posted May 07, 2002 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Does anyone remember what page the coloring "error" is?
Flipping through my hardcovers this morning, I didn't see it, and the indicia on the book doesn't identify the printing, so I'm not sure whether I have a first or the corrected edition.

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posted May 07, 2002 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScarletSpider        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G. Cornelis McWilliams:
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First, I hope they establish a commitment into bringing thier Silver Age line into Masterwork format, akin to what D C has done with thier Archive program.

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Most of what you ask is already out:

Amazing Spider-Man 1 thru 70 7 volumes - 5 already done #6 coming out this year

Fantastic Four 1 thru 70 7 volumes - 6 already done #7 coming out late this year

Ironman\ TOS 39 thru 99 4 volumes - 1 done #2 out next month

Sub-Mariner\ TTA 70 thru 101 2 volumes - 1 just realeased

Incredible Hulk\ TTA (1-6) 59 thru 99 3 volumes - 1 done

Avengers 1 thru 70 7 volumes - 3 done #4 coming out this summer

Daredevil 1 thru 60 6 volumes - 2 done

X-Men 1 thru 66 6 volumes - 3 done

Mighty Thor\ JITM 83 thru 150 6 volumes - 3 done

Human Torch: ST 120 thru 134 1 volume - I would start from 101 and add annual #2 that would be 2 volumes

Doctor Strange\ ST 121 THRU 168 3 volumes - same here starts at 110 and one volume is already done up to issue 141

Nick Fury S.H.I.E.L.D\ ST 135 THRU 168 1 volume - coming out later this year

I would also add
Ant-Man/Giant-Man,TTA 27, 35 to 69 - 2 volumes

Captain America -TOS 59 to 100 -, 2 volumes - 1 already done

That makes 26 done and 28 to go, of these 4 are already scheduled, it will take Marvel
about 4 years at the current print/ re- print schedule to have them all out.

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BillNolan
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posted May 08, 2002 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
Does anyone remember what page the coloring "error" is?
Flipping through my hardcovers this morning, I didn't see it, and the indicia on the book doesn't identify the printing, so I'm not sure whether I have a first or the corrected edition.

Vol. 1, p. 184, panel 1. Bucky is strapped to a table by a mad scientist/doctor. He is under a white blanket. There is a very faint yellow drawing over the white blanket in the area between the two straps. It's so faint, it can't be seen in certain lighting and may not even be noticed when the book is read.

I had heard there was another "addition" but I don't know where it is.

- Bill

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James Friel
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posted May 08, 2002 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BillNolan:
Vol. 1, p. 184, panel 1. Bucky is strapped to a table by a mad scientist/doctor. He is under a white blanket. There is a very faint yellow drawing over the white blanket in the area between the two straps. It's so faint, it can't be seen in certain lighting and may not even be noticed when the book is read.

I had heard there was another "addition" but I don't know where it is.

- Bill


Thanks, Bill--there it is, quite plainly.

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profh0011
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posted May 08, 2002 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
I knew you guys would find it.

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posted May 09, 2002 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScarletSpider        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by profh0011:
I knew you guys would find it.


LOL

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Old Dude
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posted May 09, 2002 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Old Dude   Click Here to Email Old Dude        Reply w/Quote
So, I had to run home and look it up.

Yep. There it is.

Huh.

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G. Cornelis McWilliams
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posted May 09, 2002 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for G. Cornelis McWilliams        Reply w/Quote
ScarletSpider,
Thank you for the information. However, (and this is my fault, for not stating it) I am talking about re-releases. Most of those books are out of print, of which many are expensive and\or difficult to find in near mint condition for around $50.00.
I, understand that if I really wanted those volumes, cost would not be an issue (provided, I had the money). But, my train of thought was based on what I felt Marvel needed to do over the next few years, to establish more trust from fans and collectors.That is to make available those volumes you mentioned and also, ad atleast 5 to 10 new volumes a year.

G. Cornelius McWilliams

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posted May 09, 2002 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScarletSpider        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G. Cornelis McWilliams:
ScarletSpider,
Thank you for the information. However, (and this is my fault, for not stating it) I am talking about re-releases. Most of those books are out of print, of which many are expensive and\or difficult to find in near mint condition for around $50.00.
I, understand that if I really wanted those volumes, cost would not be an issue (provided, I had the money). But, my train of thought was based on what I felt Marvel needed to do over the next few years, to establish more trust from fans and collectors.That is to make available those volumes you mentioned and also, ad atleast 5 to 10 new volumes a year.

G. Cornelius McWilliams


I agree with you Cornelius, hopefully Marvel is really taking an archive like approach to the Masterwork, making
each volumes available for re-orders
as they are printed or re- printed.


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posted May 09, 2002 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Flash   Click Here to Email Flash        Reply w/Quote
i agree they should put some GA material in there

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